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Oct 20, 2016
Headliner of State: Grover Cleveland

Grover Cleveland must have been fun -- the guy won the popular vote three times. But was he funny?

Sharon Farrell, the caretaker of the Cleveland Birthplace in New Jersey, is our special guest. She gives us a tour of both sides of Grover: The hard-working politician and lawyer, and the fun-loving guy who enjoyed drinking, fishing and hunting with friends. Was Grover a cut-up in private? Did his upright reputation prevent him from joking in public? And what exactly is "rotund jocularity"?

Cleveland Birthplace website

Sharon on C-SPAN

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Jersey Bounce" by Benny Goodman and His Orchestra, "Jersey Sweet" by James P. Johnson


Oct 10, 2016
Headliner of State: Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan was called the "Great Communicator," and a big part of that was humor. Whether he was explaining his philosophy, deflating an opponent or firing up a crowd, Reagan knew that a well-placed joke could make all the difference.

Journalist and Reagan biographer Lou Cannon joins us to explain how Reagan's use of humor was both natural and practiced -- and why Reagan was so great at connecting with people both in person and through mass media.

President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Hollywood Jump" by Count Basie and His Orchestra, "Hollywood Hop" by Earl "Fatha" Hines


Oct 4, 2016
Headliner of State: John Tyler

John Tyler is the answer to a few trivia questions: The first vice president promoted to the big job, the president with the most kids, and the only president who joined the Confederacy. But what about this distinction: Was Tyler the funniest president?

Professor Edward P. Crapol (retired from the College of William and Mary) is our guest. His 2006 biography, "John Tyler: The Accidental President," is one of the most significant studies of the 10th president in the last 50 years. Ed helps us understand Tyler's "aristocratic" bearing and shares some choice examples of the Virginian's wit.

"John Tyler: The Accidental President" on

Ed on C-SPAN

MUSIC: "The Outlaw" by the Horace Silver Quintet, "Big John's Special" by Fletcher Henderson and His Orchestra


Sep 16, 2016
Episode 60: Brian McDaniel brings it home

For eight years, Brian was one of the funniest guys on "TMZ." But the last few years, he's been branching out from that gig to acting, parenting, AND stand-up comedy.

The PG County native talks to us about his very eclectic and very cool career in the entertainment industry. Have a listen, then come to the DC Improv lounge on November 12 to see Brian headline.


Sep 13, 2016
Episode 59: Tony Perkins laughs it up

You know Tony Perkins from his work on Fox 5 and "Good Morning America." You've heard him on "The Tony Perkins Show" podcast, which tapes live at the Improv on October 8.

But did you know that Tony worked for a decade as a stand-up comedian? He stops into the Improv to tell us about his experiences on the comedy stage -- and whether he'll ever do it again.

Sep 8, 2016
Episode 58: Sean Patton branches out

Sean Patton makes his DC Improv headlining debut on September 29, closing out our DC Beer Week celebration with DC Brau. So we got him on the phone to say hi, tell us about his amazing comedic storytelling powers and share a drinking story.

Check out this chat, then get your tickets for 9/29 ...


Sep 6, 2016
Headliner of State: Dwight Eisenhower

The search for the funniest president continues! We know that people liked Ike. But was comedy part of Dwight Eisenhower's appeal?

Our guest is Michael Birkner, a history professor at Gettysburg College -- the very place where Eisenhower kept his offices after leaving the White House. We talk about Eisenhower's fundamental good nature, and the way he used his avuncular image to his strategic advantage. And while we know that Eisenhower was able to laugh at himself, we tackle the question: Could Ike tell a joke? It's a very cool look at one of the most influential leaders of the 20th century ...

Michael J. Birkner bio

Eisenhower National Historic Site

Gettysburg College

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "The General Jumped at Dawn" by Paul Whiteman and His Orchestra, "American Patrol" by Glenn Miller and His Orchestra


Sep 1, 2016
Episode 57: Roy Wood Jr. puts in the work

Lots of people know Roy Wood Jr. from "The Daily Show," but that's only the latest phase of his career. He's one of the great working road comics, who spent his 20s driving hundreds of thousands of miles to comedy gigs around the South and Midwest.

Now that the road has brought him to the DC Improv (headlining September 2-4) he tells us about his experiences, and how they shaped the comedy he's producing today.

Aug 29, 2016
Headliner of State: Warren Harding

The search for the funniest president continues! Warren Harding was amazingly popular in his day. Was he also amazingly funny?

We're joined by Sherry Hall, the site manager of the Harding Home Presidential Site in Marion, Ohio. She gives us insight into Harding's personal style (he considered himself a newspaper editor above all), his love of socializing, and his Midwestern humor -- the qualities that made him irresistable to a huge number of voters.

For all you scandal lovers, we also touch on the affairs and schlocky love letters that made Harding into a punchline when they were made public in 2014. And there's also some mention of Pokemon Go. Something for everyone!

Harding Home website

Harding Home on Facebook

Harding letters at the LOC

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Beautiful Ohio" by Glenn Miller and his Orchestra, "My Ohio Home" by Jean Goldkette and His Orchestra



Aug 9, 2016

The search for the funniest president continues! Andrew Jackson has a reputation for killing ... but not in a comedic sense. He actually murdered a dude. So if we're looking at the comedy of Jackson, how does that work, exactly?

Our guest is Michael Friedman, the composer and lyricist for the hit musical "Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson." That production turned Jackson into an emo rock star, producing big laughs and amazing insights into the populist wave that Jackson rode into the White House. Michael helps us understand why Jackson CAN work as a comedic figure on stage -- even though much of Jackson's historical legacy can be seen as tragic.

Michael Friedman on the New Yorker Radio Hour

BBAJ Original Cast Recording on iTunes

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "I'm Slappin' Seventh Avenue" by Duke Ellington's Famous Orchestra, "Tennessee Twilight" by the Eddie Condon Orchestra

Aug 2, 2016
Headliner of State: James Buchanan

The search for the funniest president continues! James Buchanan didn't have much to laugh about as president, what with that whole "Civil War" thing starting on his watch. But how much has that one huge stain warped our view of POTUS No. 15?

Patrick Clarke, the director of President James Buchanan's Wheatland, welcomes us into the historic home to talk about Buchanan's personality. JB enjoyed a four-decade career in politics that took him around the world, and strategic charm was a big part of his success. Find out what it looked like in practice!

Visit Wheatland online on Twitter

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Buck Jumpin'" by Fats Waller and His Orchestra, "Pennsylvania 6-5000" by Glenn Miller and His Orchestra

Jul 29, 2016
Episode 56: Tony Roberts and Katrina Pope

Tony Roberts is one of the most purely entertaining headliners in the game ... and we've got him back headlining for a second year in a row (July 28-31).

On Friday morning, Tony and feature act Katrina Pope came by the club for another podcast interview ... or more accurately, we turned the mics on and Tony and Katrina took over. Lots of fun talking about hot dogs, live music, favorite comics and more.

Have a listen, then catch them at the club this weekend!


Jul 6, 2016
Headliner of State: Millard Fillmore

The search for the funniest president continues! Some presidents weren't all that funny in life ... but thanks to Twitter, they're cracking people up in death.

Yes, there are people out there using Twitter to assume the identity of dead presidents. And one of the funniest accounts is tied to one of the most obscure presidents, Millard Fillmore. Evan Marcus and Ira Lieman started @fillmoremillard in 2009 to speak on behalf of a guy who is six feet under the Buffalo tundra.

Who are they? Why are they doing this? What do they think of the actual Millard? And can we somehow hook them up with Alec Baldwin? All these answers and more on a fascinating and funny edition of Headliner of State!

The @fillmoremillard Twitter feed

Millard Fillmore and You (video)

Fillmore's Buffalo home

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Off to Buffalo" by Fletcher Henderson and His Orchestra, "Mason Flyer" by Lucky Millinder and His Orchestra


Jun 30, 2016
Headliner of State: Thomas Jefferson

The search for the funniest president continues! Thomas Jefferson left behind a huge paper trail, but we're still arguing about where that trail leads. Was Jefferson a brilliant philosopher or a hypocritical racist? Was he a principled revolutionary or a calculating politician? And with all this background noise, can we ever hope to figure out the important stuff: If Jefferson was funny?

LSU Professor Andrew Burstein, the author of "Democracy's Muse," is our guest. And he has fantastic insights into both Jefferson's character and the ways that Jefferson has been misunderstood over the last 200 years. It's a great discussion that might change the way you think about American history.

"Democracy's Muse" on

Andrew Burstein's website



Music: Hail Columbia, "I'm Coming Virginia" by the Benny Carter Orchestra, "In the Hall of the Mountain King" by Henri Rene's Orchestra

Jun 22, 2016

The search for the funniest president continues! Harry Truman might be one of the most likable presidents ... but does that mean he's also one of the funniest?

Matthew Algeo, the author of "Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure," is our guest. His book tells the story of ex-president Truman's 1953 road trip with his wife -- where he drove the car himself and tried (unsuccessfully) to travel incognito. It's a charming story that lets Harry's personality shine through.

Did Truman's "regular guy" ethic carry over to his comedy? Was he the best practical joker among presidents? And did highway patrolmen find his driving a little funny? Find out!

Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure

Mathhew Algeo's blog

Truman and the Marx Brothers

Music: Hail Columbia, "Kansas City Stride" by Count Basie and His Orchestra, "Kansas City Squabble" by Bennie Moten's Kansas City Orchestra


Jun 17, 2016
Headliner of State: George W. Bush

The search for the funniest president continues! George W. Bush generates a lot of laughter ... whether it's through his good-natured charm, or through jokes at his expense. Does he deserve a shot at the title?

We're joined by the great comedian Frank Caliendo, whose Bush impression might be the best in the business. His take on GWB was seen on "MADtv," Letterman, at the Radio and Television Correspondents Dinner and on comedy stages across the country. (And it might be seen at the DC Improv July 7-9, when Frank headlines five shows.)

And we're not just talking about Bush. Frank also does an incredible Donald Trump impression, so we're getting his insight on the presumptive GOP nominee for 2016.


Music: "Hail Columbia," "Under a Texas Moon" by Guy Lombardo, "Texas Shuffle" by Count Basie and his Orchestra

Jun 6, 2016
Headliner of State: Franklin Pierce

Franklin Pierce loved to party! But he married a woman who hated to party. And he was really charismatic! But he's usually remembered as a failed president.

In other words, Pierce was complicated. We're gonna need a top-notch expert to figure out if he was funny, and that's where Peter A. Wallner comes in. His two-volume biography of "Handsome Frank" is probably the most thoroughly researched work on Pierce in 75 years. We talk about the qualities that made Pierce so charming, whether Pierce had a drinking problem, and how Pierce kept his spirits up while enduring personal tragedies. (Such as, witnessing the decapitation of his son. Yikes.)

And stick around until the end for what might be the most juvenile bit of humor in this whole series.

Peter A. Wallner's website

Franklin Pierce homestead

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Drink to Me Only With Thine Own Eyes" by John Kirby and His Orchestra

May 29, 2016
Headliner of State: Benjamin Harrison

The search for the funniest president continues! Some of Benjamin Harrison's contemporaries ridiculed him as a "human iceberg," and the nickname stuck. This episode, we're thawing him out to see if there's a great sense of humor buried under that reputation.

Charlie Hyde, the head honcho at the Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site in Indianapolis, helps us understand why Harrison could be so formal at times -- and he shares the things that loosened Harrison up. Plus, we talk about Harrison's special place in the history of presidential humor, as the first sitting president to address a Gridiron Club dinner.

We've got stories about a goat cart, Harrison fighting crime with his bare hands, and more ... It's a fun look at a lesser-known president.

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Benny Rides Again" and "Benjie's Bubble" by the Benny Goodman Orchestra


May 23, 2016
Headliner of State: George Washington

We're searching for the funniest president -- but focusing on laughs can obscure the less-pleasant parts of a president's legacy. For example, lots of the early presidents had slaves. And no one had more than George Washington.

So let's get into it! Our guest is Azie Dungey. Currently a writer for "The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt," Azie is also the creator and star of the "Ask a Slave" web series from 2013. She worked as a costumed interpreter at Mount Vernon, and the series puts a comedic (and thought-provoking) spin on her experiences. Can you use comedy to teach people about slavery? Does the stain of slavery ruin Washington's image? And, oh yeah, was Washington funny?

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Shorty George" by Count Basie and His Orchestra, "Washington Squabble" by Claude Hopkins and His Orchestra

May 16, 2016
Headliner of State: Herbert Hoover

The search for the funniest president continues! Herbert Hoover unfairly takes the rap for the Great Depression ... but if we look past all that economic moping, was he actually a funny guy?

Tom Schwartz, the director of the Hoover Library and Museum in West Branch, Iowa, helps us find out. We discuss how Bert's Quaker upbringing shaped his self-expression, review some of his truly amazing accomplishments and explore his special (and humorous) connection with the youth of America.

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "The Quaker" by the Erroll Garner Trio, "Fish Fry" by Benny Carter and His Orchestra

May 13, 2016
Episode 55: Big Jay Oakerson works the room

Big Jay Oakerson headlines the club May 13-15. We asked him to do a podcast, and true to his style of comedy he just sat down and started having a conversation. It's pretty amazing to watch the tightrope act live ... you get a unique comedy experience show after show.

Also chatting: feature act Mike Finoia, who is Jay's buddy (and roommate). We talk about the Philly scene, what got them into comedy, and Jay's upcoming Comedy Central special.

May 9, 2016
Headliner of State: James Polk

The search for the funniest president continues!

James K. Polk is legendary for getting stuff done -- his four years in office featured a war with Mexico and tremendous territorial expansion of the United States. But did Polk do it with a smile?

John Bicknell, the author of "America 1844," joins us to chat about the 11th president. We talk about Polk's legendary work ethic, what made him so driven, and whether humor EVER found its way into his White House. He won one election as a dark horse ... is there any chance he'll be elected funniest president?

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Charlie Horse" by Charlie Spivak and his Orchestra, "Tennessee Twilight" by the Eddie Condon Orchestra

May 2, 2016
Headliner of State: Chester Arthur

The search for the funniest president continues! Chester Arthur (1881-85) was probably a funny guy ... he was a very effective cog in New York City's Republican political machine, so he knew how to rub elbows with the best of 'em.

But if we've giving him a shot at the title, we need to think outside the box. Christopher Oldstone-Moore is an expert in the history of facial hair, grooming and other projections of masculinity - and he just published a great book, "Of Beards and Men." He's helping us figure out if Arthur was the funniest LOOKING president, thanks to his amazing whiskers.

We get context for the "bearded age," the peculiar 50-year span when America's leaders dared to wear facial hair. Chris explains the origins of Chester's look, and the statement he was trying to make. And ultimately, we figure out if it's cool to use our modern standards when deciding if Arthur was, in fact, funny looking.

It's a hair-raising discussion. HA!

MUSIC: Hail Columbia, "Fine and Dandy" by Teddy Wilson and his Orchestra, "Blind Arthur Breakdown" by Blind Arthur, "He's Pulling His Whiskers" by Hot Lips Page and His Band

Apr 27, 2016
Episode 54: Medium Cindy Kaza studies up

When you work in a specialized field, you ALWAYS have to keep on learning new job skills ... even if you're a medium! Cindy Kaza returns to the podcast to tell us about her travels to Indonesia, as she tries to understand mediumship and spiritual connections in other parts of the world.

Cindy is back on our stage May 4!

Apr 26, 2016
Episode 53: Ian Bagg drops the gloves

Ian Bagg is one of the great road warriors of comedy -- stand-up has allowed him to circle the globe. The road brings him to DC May 5-8, so we're catching up with him before he gets to town.

Ian tells us how his experiences playing hockey helped shape his humor, shares his thoughts on chatting with an audience, and gives us some more perspective on "Last Comic Standing." (He was a top 5 finalist in 2015, and you gotta hear what the tour bus was like.) Have a listen, then check him out at the club next week ...

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